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HighlandRay New Member	posted February 09, 2003 02:56 AM My memories of the late 50's & early 60's Superman are filled with visions of Super Horse, Super Dog (sorry Krypto), Super Monkey etc etc. They were the reason I started reading Marvel comics and left all of that sillyness behind. After all, I was in my early teens and far too old for such foolishness. Now that I am a "little" older I have just started reading my recently acquired set of Legion of Superheroes Archives and I can't get enough of the Superboy/Superman stories in the first volume, including the fabulous super pets. Just a plea to Bob - lets see a Silver Age Superman Archive this year and Superboy next year. IP: Logged
jape Member	posted February 09, 2003 06:24 AM If TPBs like 'Super Friends' and 'Tales of the Bizarro World' sold OK, mabe DC could think about some more along the same lines - I rally don't care if they're packaged as postmodern/ironic/pop-culture-chic as long as i get to read 'The Best of Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen' or 'Super Pets to the Rescue' or 'The Curse of Red Kryptonite' or any of the themed TPBs that are crying out to be published IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted February 09, 2003 09:31 AM Welcome on board, HighlandRay! I think you'll enjoy this thread, as we keep the torch burning for a SA Superman archive: http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001196.html IP: Logged
NIKKI SIXX Member	posted February 09, 2003 02:01 PM I know this don't have anything with Silver Age Superman, but what's the issues in the Super Friends TBP Vol.1? Thank you for any help, John IP: Logged
chrisccl Member	posted February 09, 2003 02:27 PM Superfriends #10, #12, #13, #25, #28, #31 and #37, plus the backups from #29 and #36 You can check out the cover at my site: http://www.lastflightout.com/ccl/recommended_reading/dc_universe/superfriends_tjp.html Chris ------------------ Collected Comics Library http://www.lastflightout.com/ccl IP: Logged
NIKKI SIXX Member	posted February 09, 2003 02:50 PM Thank you very much Chris! And... what about Superfriends TPB Vol.2? Thanks again, John. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 09, 2003 03:20 PM Can't recall his exact wording, but the last time Bob G referred to the prospects for Silver Age Superman material in archive form, I think he seemed very open to the idea in general, but indicated that it wasn't going to happen this year. My intuitive feeling is that we'll see it introduced in 2004, along with Adam Strange. IP: Logged
Owen Cardiff Darcy Member	posted February 09, 2003 05:18 PM SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF TOMORROW ARCHIVES VOL. 1 (222/240 pages) ACTION COMICS #241-247 and SUPERMAN (1st series) #122-126 Action Comics #241 (June 1958) "The Super-Key To Fort Superman" (12 pages + cover) Superman #122 (24 pages + cover) "The Secret of the Space Souvenirs" (8 pages) "Superman In the White House" (8 pages) "The Super-Sergeant" (8 pages) Action Comics #242 "The Super-Duel In Space" (12 pages + cover) Superman #123 "The Girl of Steel" (26 pages + cover) Action Comics #243 "The Lady and the Lion" (12 pages + cover) Superman #124 (24 pages + cover) "The Super-Sword" (8 pages) "Mrs. Superman" (8 pages) "The Steeplejack of Steel" (8 pages) Action Comics #244 "The Super-Merman of the Sea" (12 pages + cover) Action Comics #245 "The Shrinking Superman" (12 pages + cover) Superman #125 (24 pages + cover) "Lois Lane's Super-Dream" (8 pages) "Clark Kent's College Days" (8 pages) "Superman's Mystery Power" (8 pages) Action Comics #246 "Krypton On Earth" (13 pages + cover) Action Comics #247 "Superman's Lost Parents" (13 pages + cover) Superman #126 (26 pages + cover) "Superman's Hunt For Clark Kent" (10 pages) "The Spell of the Shandu Clock" (8 pages) "The Two Faces of Superman" (8 pages) IP: Logged
chrisccl Member	posted February 09, 2003 10:33 PM quote: Originally posted by NIKKI SIXX: Thank you very much Chris! And... what about Superfriends TPB Vol.2? Thanks again, John. I don't know anything about a Volume 2. But there is always hope. Cheers! Chris ------------------ Collected Comics Library http://www.lastflightout.com/ccl IP: Logged
CMCINTYRE3600 Member	posted February 10, 2003 02:22 PM With Batman, you have the New Look as a difinitive breaking point that seperated the GA and the SA Batman (as well as the E2 and E1 Batman too, IIRC). That seems the obvious starting point for a new Archive. Now I'm not so firmiliar with SA Superman (and family) history. Is there any kind of natural breaking point there? I see we've got a nice, detailed map of what could make a good SA Superman archive, but I guess my question is, why Action 241? I haven't read any of these, so it may be a great place to start, but it seems that this one is much harder (and more arbitrary) than Batman (which would explain why they did that first). Chris IP: Logged
TheRogueLegionnaire Member	posted February 10, 2003 02:35 PM Action #241 is selected as the begining of the Silver Age because that was when Weisenger took over as editor of the Superman Family of titles. IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted February 10, 2003 02:37 PM Action 241 saw the introduction of the Fortress of Solitude in the story called "The Super-Key to Fort Superman", and it is widely held to be the first "Silver Age" Superman issue, as editor Mort Weisinger began introducing new elements to the mythos that came to define the character for many years afterward. Shortly after the Fortress came Brainiac, Kandor, Bizarro, Lori Lemaris, Red Kryptonite, the Phantom Zone, Supergirl, imaginary stories, etc. Although not as definitive a break as the "new look" Batman, Bob Greenberger recently confirmed that this is where they will start with a SA Superman archive (and the sooner the better!) IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 10, 2003 02:39 PM Action #241 introduced the Fortress of Solitude, and was at or near the beginning of Mort Weisinger's tenure as sole editor. It was the beginning of a long string of innovations in the Superman titles, all within the next couple of years: the Fortress, Bizarro, multicolored Kryptonites, Brainiac and Kandor, Supergirl, Titano, Lori Lemaris, Metallo, increased incidence of Kryptonian references and time-trips, increased incidences of Superman's suppoting characters gaining super-powers, and Imaginary Stories (which we now would call Elseworlds stories). It's a pretty clear, though slightly fuzzy, break, and as good as we're going to get. IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted February 10, 2003 02:56 PM Holy synchronicity, Batman! I guess James and I were reading from the same sheet of music on this one. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 10, 2003 03:19 PM I guess we were! If I wasn't home sick, you'd have had this one all to yourself, Osgood, but I'm just sitting here coughing and getting in trouble on the computer... IP: Logged
BillNolan Member	posted February 10, 2003 03:21 PM Ray, if you don't already own them, the two World's Finest Archives feature some great 50s and 60s tales starring Superman (and Batman, too, of course). Great Curt Swan and Dick Sprang artwork in the first one. And the Supergirl Archive is a great source for that type of material as well. - Bill IP: Logged
Mark Katzoff Member	posted February 10, 2003 05:04 PM quote: Originally posted by NIKKI SIXX: Thank you very much Chris! And... what about Superfriends TPB Vol.2? Thanks again, John. That actually is Superfriends Vol. 2. There is a V. 1 out which reprints 1 (the first part of a 2-part story), 6-9, 14, 21 and 27. IP: Logged
chrisccl Member	posted February 10, 2003 05:15 PM Thanks, Mark! Chris ------------------ Collected Comics Library http://www.lastflightout.com/ccl IP: Logged
Owen Cardiff Darcy Member	posted February 10, 2003 05:54 PM Which covers would you pick for the "back 4"? ACTION COMICS #241 ACTION COMICS #242 ACTION COMICS #243 ACTION COMICS #244 ACTION COMICS #245 ACTION COMICS #246 ACTION COMICS #247 SUPERMAN #122 SUPERMAN #123 SUPERMAN #124 SUPERMAN #125 SUPERMAN #126 IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted February 10, 2003 06:57 PM quote: Originally posted by Owen Cardiff Darcy: Which covers would you pick for the "back 4"? Action #241--first Fortress of Solitude story; the image of Superman and the key is a classic one. Action #242--first Brainiac appearance. Action #247--another classic image, Superman, his parents, and a time bubble Superman #126--yet another great image, Superman sitting in a typical piece of apparatus that looks designed by Wayne Boring even if it is a Swan cover. Barely edged out: Superman #123's "Girl of Steel" IP: Logged
India Ink Member	posted February 10, 2003 07:58 PM I'm pretty much in agreement with James Friel on this. Another factor to be considered in choosing the back 4 covers is which ones will still be "readable" when reduced to thumbnail size. And I would say those four (Act 241, 242, 247, and SM 126) would show up best IP: Logged
Osgood Peabody Member	posted February 10, 2003 08:39 PM I'd agree - those 4 seem to stand out. Especially since they already used the "Girl of Steel" for the back of the first Supergirl volume. Incidentally, that is one of the unfortunate byproducts of combining the Action and Superman titles in this series - we get that Supergirl prototype story again right off the bat. I'd have preferred to stagger the start of the Superman title with Titano's debut in issue 127, but that doesn't seem likely to happen now. IP: Logged
exredleg New Member	posted February 11, 2003 05:03 AM I'd LOVE to see a Silver Age Superman Archives set! I also thought I was "too cool" for Superman when I was a young, "hip" comic reader. Now that I've grown a bit older (okay ... a LOT older), I realize just how GREAT those Silver Age Superman stories really are! I love my Superman in the 50's and 60's collection (not to mention Tales from the Bizarro World) ... and I can't get enough of Wayne Boring and Curt Swan Superman stories. Sign me up for THIS archive series! ------------------ exredleg "Commitment isn't a chore, it's a challenge." - Solomon Short IP: Logged
Lee Semmens Member	posted February 11, 2003 06:10 AM I couldn't agree with you more, exredleg, I can't believe DC haven't already commenced a Silver Age Superman archive line. I totally disagree with others on these boards who feel these archives should be held back or "saved" for the future (when - 2020?!?), when, presumably, there is much less archive-worthy material available (this argument does not hold much water with me, as by that time 1970s material could well be a lot harder to come by, and should be due for the archive treatment). Somebody has mapped out these archives on one of the boards, and it came out to over 20 Superman volumes, so even if DC published volume 1 next year, and one each year thereafter, it will be awfully close to 2030 before the series ends. Personally, I think if this series ever starts it will soon be fasttracked, as I will be surprised if it is not one of the most popular archive lines. One thing is for sure, my practically complete runs of Action Comics and Superman from 1963 to 1976 will not be replicated in hardback form for a LONG time. IP: Logged
Astronaut Jones New Member	posted February 11, 2003 11:21 AM I have to echo the sentiments of those eagerly awaiting a SA Superman and Superboy archive series. The "Superman in the 60's" TPB is largely responsible for renewing my interest in comics over the last 6 months, going from that to the various Millenium Editions and on to the Archives. I just can't seem to get enough of those cheesey stories. Superbaby, Super Monkey, Krypto, Streaky, and of course Bizarro... Great stuff! Hello! IP: Logged

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